Is the Collective West in disarray because of its absence of long term thinking? Or is it all a charade and the master minds are just really good at hiding what's actually going on? Well, we might be in for an even bumpier ride than we thought, not because the Western leadership is brilliant (they are mostly imbeciles), but the underlying sociological structure is not as short-sighted as one might assume.
Nel Bonilla, author of Worldlines, explains her “bunker state” framework and why she sees NATO 3.0 as a shift toward deeper military integration. She and Pascal Lottaz discuss NATO’s evolution, Europe’s defense industry, proxy warfare, conscription, public spending, the “global West,” and ways peace, labor, and neutrality movements could resist this change.
Nel's Article: https://worldlinesletter.substack.com/p/nato-30-the-transatlantic-cage-and
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NATO's Plans for Total Global Dominance &
The Bunker State | Nel Bonilla
Is the Collective West in disarray because of its absence of long term thinking? Or is it all a charade
and the master minds are just really good at hiding what's actually going on? Well, we might be in
for an even bumpier ride than we thought, not because the Western leadership is brilliant (they are
mostly imbeciles), but the underlying sociological structure is not as short-sighted as one might
assume. Nel Bonilla, author of Worldlines, explains her “bunker state” framework and why she sees
NATO 3.0 as a shift toward deeper military integration. She and Pascal Lottaz discuss NATO’s
evolution, Europe’s defense industry, proxy warfare, conscription, public spending, the “global West,”
and ways peace, labor, and neutrality movements could resist this change. Nel's Article:
https://worldlinesletter.substack.com/p/nato-30-the-transatlantic-cage-and More Links: Worldlines –
The threads connecting geopolitics: https://worldlinesletter.substack.com Nel Bonilla at
NachDenkSeiten: https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?gastautor=nel-bonilla Neutrality Studies
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https://neutralitystudies.com/donate Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and the bunker state 04:47
NATO 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 16:16 Is NATO a node or a driver? 18:28 Silent social transformation in
Europe 32:28 The Ankara summit and arms production 44:10 War readiness and proxy warfare 50:
34 The end goal: a “global West” 54:08 The bunker state and social contract 57:00 Peace
movements and alternatives
#Pascal
Welcome back, everybody, to Neutrality Studies today with an update from Nell Bonilla, the author
of the wonderful Substack Worldliness. And she just recently wrote another great, great analysis.
Nell is one of those brilliant minds who always comes out with very long texts that actually explain
quite a big deal about international affairs. And she entitled this one, “NATO 3.0: The Transatlantic
Cage and the Rise of the Bunker State.” Nell, welcome back.
#Nel Bonilla
Well, thank you for having me again here. Thank you.
#Pascal
Last time we talked, we already discussed your concept of the bunker state. But just for a very brief
review of this concept, can you maybe tell us what it is and then how you connect it to what you call
NATO 3.0?
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#Nel Bonilla
Yes, yes, of course. So the bunker state is a framework I'm developing, and it basically is about how
currently the modern state, or the state as we know it, is undergoing a qualitative transformation.
And most specifically, like in the countries that are from the, we could say, the U.S.-led hegemonic
order, or however you want to call it. And, like, the qualitative shifts we can see there are, for
example, that the state as a provider of public goods, the state planning that normally is about
increasing welfare and good living and things like that, is transformed towards securitization,
militarization. And then furthermore, or because of that even, the citizens, the domestic population,
is not anymore a citizen, a subject of rights, but becomes an object of security.
And everything about them is exactly as every part of society and of the country itself, now an
object of security, securitized, militarized for purposes of war, warfare, or preparations toward
warfare, hybrid and permanent warfare. And then another point of the bunker state framework is
that also every country and even region is not anymore exactly a country, just sovereign,
autonomous, but becomes a sort of a node. And the purpose of this network, then, is this hybrid
warfare. And against whom? Well, since this transformation is coming from, like, U.S. and
transatlantic ruling strata, our elites, it is, well, against its so-called competitors or rivals, in essence,
and specifically China and Russia, Iran also to an extent, and of course any nation that is aligned
with them, for example, within BRICS and so on.
So that is basically the bunker state. And how is this connected to the NATO 3.0 situation shift we
have seen now with NATO in the Ankara summit? Well, NATO 3.0 is basically institutionalizing,
enforcing already these different shifts that I talked about, about militarization, even of the
population itself, about even viewing, like, this social contract as not anymore being about rights of
the citizen, but about, okay, what can the citizen do for the preparations of warfare? Even all of this
is part of this NATO 3.0 shift.
#Pascal
Don't ask what NATO can do for you, ask what you can do for NATO. And I've had discussions with
other researchers, one of them, Jonas Tögel, a German researcher, who looks intensely at the
papers that NATO publishes about cognitive warfare, and where NATO explicitly says, "Look, we
need to target our own population, right? We need to make sure—I mean, the brains of our people
are the battleground, and we need to fight on that battleground." And so this kind of
conceptualization of what the citizen is and how the citizen has to be integrated into the entire
defense—I mean, it's an offense, it's a war structure. Defense is this thing, it's the lovely, cozy term
for, like, war, offense, and death and destruction. But how would you then say that NATO
developed? So NATO 1.0, '49 until basically '89 or '91, like the Cold War NATO, then the reinvented
NATO of the unipolar moment, and now the NATO of the multipolar moment. Can you talk a little bit
about the shift?
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#Nel Bonilla
Yes, of course. So the shift is very interesting because it's a slow shift, and a shift that almost since
the beginning had a certain direction. And NATO 3.0 then is, at least for now, its most honest
expression of it. So NATO 1.0, let's call it the Cold War NATO, it was more—well, it started after
World War II, and it was more about trying to align the European elites or ruling strata, political
elites, military elites, with the U.S., into the U.S. orbit, its sphere of influence, so to speak, and partly
to block any type of repression or any type of trying to work with the Soviet Union or any state that
is aligned with it. And even to, one could say, also pacify any socialist ideas that were at that time
also popular in the different European countries. So all of that, I mean, this was like one of the core
objectives of NATO in the Cold War.
But even then, I mean, this is—I didn't know it, but as I researched, I saw it. Even then, there was
this idea of, well, having a division of labor between the U.S. and Europe. So I found, and I talk
about it in this essay, a memorandum from 1959, and it talks about burden shifting. It's from the
Assistant Secretary of Defense, and it basically says, and I quote, by Secretary of Defense Wilson,
that the U.S. would concentrate its military assistance efforts upon advanced weapons, requiring the
Europeans to assume increasing or complete responsibility for their own recurring force maintenance
and conventional materiel requirements. So what this means, like, in other words, it means that the
U.S. was concentrating on advanced weapons, including, for example, nuclear weapons.
This is like the so-called strategic layer, strategic weapons layer, and so on. And Europe, on the
other hand, would have to concentrate on absorbing the economic burden by having conventional
troops, by having joint projects with the U.S., specifically with their weapons, buy from them, their
industries. Well, this was the idea since at least 1959, according to this document. I think it's partly
because they at that time thought, or had this inkling that, well, let's see when Europe is ready, after
having been devastated by the world wars, to maybe shoulder the burden of the U.S. hegemonic
strategic project. Even though, one must say, there were, of course, different European political and
such elites that even before that were converging in this project, one could say. So that was during
the Cold War.
#Pascal
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#Nel Bonilla
And then during or after the Cold War, and even a bit before that, it's very interesting. Of course, it's
about now these out-of-area operations. But what I found there, from, for example, a communiqué
in 1980, which was like—the context was, of course, for example, the Iranian Revolution. And back
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then the U.S. didn't have, like, the discovered LNG and all of this. So they really, really needed oil,
petroleum. And with the Iranian Revolution and other things that were happening, I think even
Russia, the Soviets in Afghanistan, processes like this, they were on alert and needed to move their
forces to Western Asia.
Now, in 1980, then this communiqué was written and basically said, we need an increase of 3% in
annual defense expenditure by all countries, which would substantially assist in reducing the
imbalance of forces. And the imbalance of forces, again, like they always had this idea in mind about
having to counter other countries from becoming, like, an alternative—yeah, an alternative to the
unipolar order. So this is from '80, where they already had this idea: increase of defense
expenditure. And also then, but I mean, then after the collapse of the Soviet Union, as we know,
NATO began to absorb different Eastern European countries, Baltic states, and so on.
This was also, with this idea of the balance of forces in mind, it was about trying to prevent, again,
Europe to in any way try to have a diplomatic or industrial relation with the post-Soviet states and
point them towards their direction instead of the U.S. sphere. And of course, also with Russia, they
didn't want that either, because even though they admitted and were like, okay, now Russia is
weakened, it's not a threat, it can potentially become a threat. And they, like strategists and the U.S.
security establishment and such, already talked and wrote about this during the 1990s.
They were like, no, I mean, now it's not a threat, but it will become one just by the sheer size of it,
just by its own memory of what it has, because of also the industrialization of the Soviet Union and
so on. So this was the idea of NATO after the Cold War. And again, it was about saying, okay,
Europe, you have to, for example, after the Kosovo War, do these long-term peacekeeping missions.
And we are about, like the U.S., about controlling with our advanced weaponry this, like, high-end
part of combat and warfare.
Again, there was not as, well, not as demarcated, crystallized as it is now, but it was already, like,
starting, even with this increase in annual defense spending. And now NATO 3.0, or the NATO of the
multipolar era, so to speak, it came about. I mean, the idea, as I have seen it so far, researched so
far, was talked about already in the 2000s. But, I mean, the 2000s were still with these out-of-area
operations, and then the 2010s even more. And it was basically about now seeing that the unipolar
moment is eroding or collapsing, or now basically collapsed.
And that this is partly because of the global majority, but specifically Russia and China, again, their
technological-industrial rise, and also, like, which means then that other countries that have access
to more, like, development too can become more sovereign. And all of this then means that polarity
is not anymore. So this was the crisis that then led to this much more intense shift toward NATO 3.0,
which is now about not, well, yes, pivoting resources towards what they call Western Hemisphere
and Indo-Pacific, which means towards, on the one hand, China, and on the other hand, well, the
Americas. And for that, they want the Europeans now, for real, not anymore Europe—well, I mean,
they did it, yeah—hypothetically, to take on the m